This is perhaps a radical suggestion, but here's what I want to do:
When M&M Comes out for Heroclix, I'm pretty confident at this point [despite my sneaking suspicion that won't go away] that there will be no Horrorclix cards with the Zombies. I think I can safely say that NO ONE believes that these guys should not be in Horrorclix, even if they hate the concept. What I'm proposing is a symposium, a common agreement amongst the Horrorclix intelligentsia, on a community-wide commonly agreed-upon standard conversion method. I will contact Falloutboy as the card designer, I will attempt to convert and confer with other converters, I will [perhaps fruitlessly] seek the blessing of Kelly, Seth, and Pseudo, and I will have, by the end of November, what I hope will be agreed-upon cards that will make the Marvel Zombies usable. My goal, ideally, is that if we all agree, we can all allow them to be "tournament legal," and we will create a groundswell if you will, a community-driven and commonly accepted set of figures that we can all agree to allow no matter where we go. It will certainly be a landmark example of grassroots design and cooperation that is unprecedented in regards to Wizkids products.
So, who's with me? Who will agree to allow these IWF-hosted, community produced pseudo-official semi proxies? I know I will.
Of course, if the zombies are made and they don't have 0/5 costs, I will both cry and slink away. And life will suck for a time.
Regardless, the conversion propositions will begin the second we get a Marvel Zombie previewed. Suggestions can be entered here, where they can be discussed and communally approved.
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I was planning on basically doing this for venues I attend. I figured that most abilities that they would get would be easily convertable and that I would more than likely just round up the number to nearest 0/5 on a 3, 4, 8, 9 and down on a 1,2,6,7. I'm down with your plan definitly.
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Howdy all. Anyone familiar with my site over the past year probably knows I have always been a huge proponent of the Marvel Zombies, so you can certainly count me in on the mission (I'm honored to be invited). While I can't comment much on any potential weight such an organized movement may or may not have with WizKids and tournament legalities, I fully support the endeavor and would be delighted to simply have such character cards - player designed and player approved - out there to use. I do my best to make my little projects functional for people, but we all know my strengths are more the concept work and not the technical details. Therefore, it would not only be immensely helpful to me if everyone finalized the technical specs and I just designed the cards to show them off for you, but it would also be kinda fun to know I'll be helping people get exactly what they want. So whatever you decide to do, just let me know if I can be of any service in the matter. And give me enough time to do them justice if this idea gains momentum.
I don't know what Zombies will be in the next set, nor how we'd create cards for them before even seeing their dials, but if you come up with something, cool.
Personally, I have my suspicions that no amount of mass grassroots rallying would persuade WizKids to officially endorse anything they themselves did not create (kind of counter-productive as far as their own sales and properties go). I imagine that at the best outlook, there could be a small article mention on the WizKids Horrorclix homepage linking to a professional-looking independant webpage displaying those cards for download with the explicit disclaimer that such items are fan-made and not tournament legal, and on the pessimistic side, I could see WizKids politely ignore the effort while silently appreciating such fan involvement.
But I'm always up for a challenge, especially if the worst case scenario is that we can create a handful of excellent Marvel Zombies to bolster the ranks of my homemade Marvel Zombie quartet.
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I'm completely for this idea! And I think just rounding the numbers up or down as others have mentioned (with their rounded values on the cards) is a very easy fix. If you need playtesters, I know that both myself and a regular at my venues would be happy to help out!
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I think this a great idea, especially since Wizkids won't,recognize the desires of the masses. I do agree with falloutboy in that no amount of rallying will get some company exec to recognize what the players actually want. but i do support the idea of just doing it ourselves and mutually agreeing to a way to use them.
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I love the idea!!! One question are we going to limit it to only the Zombies or will we try to broading it with any other character that will fit into Horrorclix (ie if we get a Werewolf by Night clix or even borderline line character like Devil Dinosaur).
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I love the idea!!! One question are we going to limit it to only the Zombies or will we try to broading it with any other character that will fit into Horrorclix (ie if we get a Werewolf by Night clix or even borderline line character like Devil Dinosaur).
I'm only going to put effort into the Zombies Specifically, as they have a clear precedence in the Horrorclix game. I also want to limit the scope just for the sake of getting it done. The fewer samples we have, the less differing interpretations we'll see. In order for something like this to come to pass, it has to start small and be pretty clear as something that NEEDS to happen.
Regarding the Giant Man... if he is made, I may back-bench him until we get Giant rules, and/or make him in an Alpha manner, acknowledging that a beta version may [will] be made when we get official Giant rules of our own.
And about overpowered figures, well, that's why we're doing this as a community project. These will be conversions, not just Monster Card adaptions. Horrorclix powers are malleable, and will be the medium through which we can balance figures within our game, by changing, restricting, and/or empowering them appropriately.
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And about overpowered figures, well, that's why we're doing this as a community project. These will be conversions, not just Monster Card adaptions. Horrorclix powers are mailable, and will be the medium through which we can balance figures within our game, by changing, restricting, and/or empowering them appropriately.
Figures on the high end of Horrorclix power is okay, (135 pts) I'm worried something might be 200+ points.
I plan on buying the Marvel Zombies regardless of compatibility (bty). If nothing else but private games.
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And about overpowered figures, well, that's why we're doing this as a community project. These will be conversions, not just Monster Card adaptions. Horrorclix powers are mailable, and will be the medium through which we can balance figures within our game, by changing, restricting, and/or empowering them appropriately.
Figures on the high end of Horrorclix power is okay, (135 pts) I'm worried something might be 200+ points.
I plan on buying the Marvel Zombies regardless of compatibility (bty). If nothing else but private games.
You really think a Zombie's gonna break 100 points? I really hope not. And I'm saying right now I'm NOT gonna try to convert anything that appears to be the Power Cosmic versions. I'm only doing pre-Galactus zombies [allowing for a mildly cosmic half Iron Man].
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And about overpowered figures, well, that's why we're doing this as a community project. These will be conversions, not just Monster Card adaptions. Horrorclix powers are mailable, and will be the medium through which we can balance figures within our game, by changing, restricting, and/or empowering them appropriately.
Figures on the high end of Horrorclix power is okay, (135 pts) I'm worried something might be 200+ points.
I plan on buying the Marvel Zombies regardless of compatibility (bty). If nothing else but private games.
You really think a Zombie's gonna break 100 points? I really hope not. And I'm saying right now I'm NOT gonna try to convert anything that appears to be the Power Cosmic versions. I'm only doing pre-Galactus zombies [allowing for a mildly cosmic half Iron Man].
But they (spidey & Iron man) are the cosmic versions. The only ones who might not be is if the zombie FF were made.
Tuttle has been pretty clear in his statements. The zombies were really unlikely to be Hrc compatible, from his last statement. I doubt he changed his mind. If they were going to do it, it would have been HrC compatible from the start.
Not to mention the "Why must we buy HC product to get one" complaints.
No, WK *should* have made a collectors set of zombies. Made them both Hrc amd HC compatible. But that idea was too easy and would have sold too well....so we get jobbed....again....
But they (spidey & Iron man) are the cosmic versions. The only ones who might not be is if the zombie FF were made.
There's no evidence so far to support this. In fact, the preview image of Zombie Spidey is clearly NOT the Cosmic powered version.
As for the rest of what you said, it's neither here nor there. The point is, if the Tut doesn't wanna do it [or more likely, can't do it for some legal/financial reason] then we're just gonna do it anyways. I want this to be more than your average home made mod that any brilliant young visionary can make and nobody cares about. There are literally hundreds are good fan-made monster cards for Heroclix figures out there. This will be more than that, though, in that it will, ideally, be "official" in that there will be a standard conversion for a handful of figures that anyone who passes through this or Falloutboy's site can download and use in a tournament run by a sympathetic and participating Zombie Master. It'll be underground official, standardized and communally-tested and balanced.
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well you heard it expect anything, unless you play horrorclix, than expect nothing......but buy heroclix, because you should expect anything...oh yeah we think we got the dial thing fixed... stay tuned for errata's. did we tell you we sold out of avengers.... yeah we had all the venues preorder, or they could not participate in CoG.. and Starro... yeah we had another huge preorder with that also... because we made you preorder.... or you cant participate..
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You really think a Zombie's gonna break 100 points? I really hope not.
Pod Mother is 125. Tendril Queen is 135... Billy, and Johnny are right at 100, Hulk too.
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Not to mention the "Why must we buy HC product to get one" complaints
That's called marketing. What would be real sleazy, is to make a Cosmic Zombie Spider-man, and make him a Buy-it-by-the-brick figure.
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I want this to be more than your average home made mod that any yahoo chucklehead can make and nobody cares about. There are literally hundreds are good fan-made monster cards for Heroclix figures out there. This will be more than that, though, in that it will, ideally, be "official" in that there will be a standard conversion for a handful of figures that anyone who passes through this or Falloutboy's site can download and use in a tournament run by a sympathetic and participating Zombie Master. It'll be underground official, standardized and communally-tested and balanced.
Bravo, and well said. You should have said that from the beginning. I will support the process.
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We still have no concrete dials to work with, but I was re-reading MZ last night, looking to pull out some flavour text.
We know there will be a Spidey and an Iron Man, so:
Spidey: "...after knowing what I've become... I couldn't ever look myself in the mirror... and I don't want to chance it."
Iron Man: "It's only a matter of time before we get hungry enough to try to eat each other, despite the taste."
Also, I'm just guessing, but there may be a Black Panther, in which case I like this quote: "You don't have a body! There is nowhere for food to go!" but ONLY if he's carrying the wasp [which he better be if they make him].
And if they make a Giant Man, I'm torn between these two:
A "I like the way flesh tastes. Really, I do." or
B "If things went back to the way they were... or as close as they could get... I think I'd still eat people."
Good? Got better ones?
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I never thought of myself as a "yahoo chucklehead" but I can still support this idea
As another chucklehead, I have to ask... what will be our means of getting community approval for one conversion over another? Playtesting would be prefered of course, but if we get, say, 4 proposed cards for Spider-Man that are all very similar, the differences may not even show themselves in the beta testing phase.
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